Granroth asks many excellent questions. Part of the problem is having a common point of reference. My only problem, is I don't know what an HSU sounds like, but it is easy for me to see which sub is the best, especially "for the money. I have never heard the Klipsch, so I have no idea if this is true. I do know the RF's are better finished than my Fusion 10's, so that counts a lot to some buyers. For me, I was looking for the most sound for the least amount of money, so I got what I wanted in my price zone. Your listening needs may vary.
I don't know the retail speaker market in particular, but I have always heard that in general, a product sells at retail six times the manufacturing cost. The bottom line, is that in almost any scenario where you compare quality of sound, dollar for dollar, DIY, and especially these DIY Soundgroup speakers, give you an incomparable return on your investment versus nearly any retail product.
I'm sure there are exceptions.
Their are dozens of build threads that can be accessed quite easily on this site. The builder will often be replacing commercial speakers. Reading them will get you a lot of info. If you have some tools , and time Its only when you get north of 3k that commercial speakers really start to have top notch build quality with exotic veneers. Zaph is very good. The DIYsoundgroup also has great designs but most but not all designs are high efficiency horn designs.
GREAT for home theater but can be beat when it comes to music by going with another design. If you have to go out and buy tools then it can add up. Another thing is that Commercial designs are priced at a certain point. First the factory floor must be tooled and the workers paid to construct, shipping supplies boxes and packaging , shipping costs to the USA, shipping costs to the retailers.
Then a portion of the profits are given to the retailer Best Buy, Dealers, etc. Of that profit it must be enough to pay Saleries, taxes, healthcare, utilities, toilet pater, etc. Sound quality is not always a priority and aesthetics of the box and drivers can take priority over quality of sound. Sub was hsu vtf Yes there are ways to compare speakers without hearing them.
Ltd02 produces cool graphs that show the output of the subs based on calculations don't in a software program. The numbers of dbs that my Marty sub puts out are comparable to the svs ultra. My bookshelf speaker is the alpha minion. I have heard about a dozen different speakers in the sub price range and for movies the minion is the best.
Hearing movie passages at dbs clean and without compression is very distinct. For music the minion is amazing at loud levels with rock. If I was to listen to Tori Amos at 75 dbs I would probably want something with a raal tweeter. Old , AM. I found the best way was to type in something like " Finalists the name of the speaker site: www. Simply spend tons of time reading everything you can.
Another one of Bagby's designs is the Triton. At one of the DIY speaker conventions this design was one of the top designs. Dennis Murphy is another designer who is well respected. Based on what I read from SalkSound. Curt Cambell also makes good designs and so do many other speaker designers. There are others designers who are just as respected so if you run across I designer I didn't mention simply research the model.
Basically if it's sold on Meniscus or Madisound it's probably very good, proven designs, and well thought of. Well that's hard but basically most agree it's a superior value IF you already have a router and saw. It's main criticisms are an ugly box, poor crossover which causes breakup, and is still well below the KEF R series.
You will be surprised how many "high end" speakers have rudimentary crossovers compared to what you can get by going DIY. Another example is the Energy Veritas line of speakers.
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Just look at the crossovers. Also look at the internal cabinets MDF. Outside veneers It'll be cheaper if you dont go for the fancy burl veneers too. RobertChicken likes this. Thatsnasty is offline. LTD02 is offline. Bill Fitzmaurice. Bill Fitzmaurice is offline. Old , AM - Thread Starter.
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If you have 4k to spend on your front three speakers then yes the noessis are awesome and tough to beat. If you want to spend 1k then the fusion tempests are hard to beat. If you have 10k then the catalyst 12c beat the noessis. At the end of the day Notice I didn't say when I have 10k!!!!! A nice glossy veneer finish is very costly and time consuming or duratex can be fast and affordable. But the curve cabinets and nice finishes are very challenging for novices. I love all my diy systems capabilities but if i have to sell it, i don't think i can get anywhere near its true value because of looks.
I wish i have the skills of member passinginterest. Veneer is quicker then duratex. No filling and very little sanding. Its very easy if you have a laminate router which isn't that costly. We both start at the same time. By the time you have filled the cracks with poly and put your first coat of primer on I have veneered the sides , top , and front.
I can do all four sides in under an hour with a laminate router. Then you. Even if you don't you now put first coat of duratex on.
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I always thought these types of things looked very uncomfortable, how wrong I was, this has allowed me to carry on working. Suffering from runner's knee - after some physio warm-up, with the brace, I went on a run, still wearing it, and managed to run pain-free for an hour for the first time in weeks.
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